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[toratoza]

(09-27-2009 03:04 AM)reinmuster Wrote:  see above

Thats start up cost is for the team to be based in Norfolk, England.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index...?task=view

Ahmad Razlan admitted the cost to build the team headquarters at SIC would involve millions or maybe even billions of ringgit but could not reveal the actual cost because it was “still in the preliminary phase”.

SIC would only build the physical infrastructure but the hardware and software of the projects would be decided by other parties, he said.
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And if base on that start up cost of RM168m to include a HQ in sepang like you mentioned above, that cost might not be enuf to even construct a new wind tunnel in Sepang. Honda F1 team spent 30m pound alone (exchange rate at 6 = 180m ringgits!) to built their Wind tunnel in Brackley, England.

BTW, SIC is link to govt. So is Proton!

With proton involvement it means the govt is involved too. Yes it may benefit a few industries in some ways ( remind me , what's the astronaut name ar? who benefited ? ) but this project’s cost clearly will outweigh the expected benefits.

Forming an F1 team and channeling money into such an expensive sports when bigger car manufacturers are pulling out for cost-cutting reasons really doesnt make good economic sense.

And what do I expect from a kampung car manufacturer ? A decent car with decent quality with a decent price. Like what India's TATA Nano - so affordable!

[anyon996]

Why not u guys answer a simple question?

during this economy slowdown,
to spend money/fund on the Rakyat or to spend money on investing a waste on F1?

[iSakai]

Haiya anyon, don't ask how much they spent laa, instead ask how much a Proton Saga will cost is Malaysia wins a F1 race. If Proton saga cost like BMWs, den BMWs will cost like Bugatti liaw....ehehhheee.......


Den everybody start complaining "Semua naik, gaji tarak naik" <---siapa salah?

[bonny]

The difference between 'spend money on the Rakyat' & 'spend money on F1'

- 'spend money on the Rakyat' - Long term sacrifice, short term gain. End of the day the rakyat not appreciate at all. some more blame government. After the government done so much, still blaming. Blame this, blame that

- 'spend money on F1' - Short term sacrifice, long term gain. At least we got feel proud to show the WHOLE WORLD we can produce F1 car

[reinmuster]

toratoza - in black,
reinmuster - red

Thats start up cost is for the team to be based in Norfolk, England.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index...?task=view

Ahmad Razlan admitted the cost to build the team headquarters at SIC would involve millions or maybe even billions of ringgit but could not reveal the actual cost because it was “still in the preliminary phase”.

SIC would only build the physical infrastructure but the hardware and software of the projects would be decided by other parties, he said.
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And if base on that start up cost of RM168m to include a HQ in sepang like you mentioned above, that cost might not be enuf to even construct a new wind tunnel in Sepang. Honda F1 team spent 30m pound alone (exchange rate at 6 = 180m ringgits!) to built their Wind tunnel in Brackley, England.

We are talking about the start-up of the team. The news itself refers to long term planning of the team that had to be present to the FIA to justify the team it's place in the grid next year.

FYI, Base at Norfolk are complete with wind tunnel as it was Toyota's base when they initiate their own F1 project in 1999. Even as we talk, the team has started developing its Formula 1 racer, and that the single seater is in its wind tunnel testing stage as the info had been revealed by ESPN Star’s Race Day TV show during Singapore GP last Sunday. So it's not a surprise if the SIC said that the cost to built the facility at Sepang would be up into billions because it would take years! Just look at Wiliams' facilities at Grove, UK (William's Grand Prix Engineering), clearly Mr. Fernandez wants to learn from Williams because Air Asia are the sponsor for Williams team so he had this in mind before..

BTW, SIC is link to govt. So is Proton!

With proton involvement it means the govt is involved too. Yes it may benefit a few industries in some ways ( remind me , what's the astronaut name ar? who benefited ? ) but this project’s cost clearly will outweigh the expected benefits.

SIC and Proton is not a GLC. And F1 project has no similarity with a 'space tourist' project.

Forming an F1 team and channeling money into such an expensive sports when bigger car manufacturers are pulling out for cost-cutting reasons really doesnt make good economic sense.

Both BMW and Honda had spent Billions and gain some GP wins but was hit with economy slow-down, that's why they see no reason to spent more and had to cut the cost and pulling out. While we are make our entry at lower budget!

And what do I expect from a kampung car manufacturer ? A decent car with decent quality with a decent price. Like what India's TATA Nano - so affordable!

TATA Motor is a kampung car manufacturer? lol did you know that TATA Motor's parent company Tata Group was involved in many infrastructure and businesses for India in years and TATA Motor alone is the 8th largest car manufacturer? Plus they could build a cheap car knowing of high volume of buyer that they could offer in India!

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(09-29-2009 03:40 PM)anyon996 Wrote:  Why not u guys answer a simple question?

during this economy slowdown,
to spend money/fund on the Rakyat or to spend money on investing a waste on F1?

Sport is sport, don’t mix with politic. If u said it just wasting people's money, think again about the student go study overseas with gov. loan but never come back to malaysia & pay the debts also not to mention the local ex student not paid PTPTL. That I call a waste among the waste!

Road demonstration also wasting gov. money.

Repair the road after bad crash also wasting the money. Why not obey with traffic rules rather than blaming Proton's car?

Stealing water & electricity also wasting gov.'s money. Those are thing that gov. have to spend for unnecessary thing for eternity.

Petronas Twin Tower have said wasting money but how many ppl get job in there not to mention the serounding place also bloom (Bangla & indon working there most of it but it could not be counted because of the Malaysians itself a lazy!)

[reinmuster]

From Alex Yoong, soon-to-be deputy team principal..
Read : Formula One.. How lah?

Then..

Subsequently I and several others had discussion with Alex himself @ facebook, and here some of his thoughts..

Q : Obviously there are benefits, would you care to state what you think the benefits are?

A : Malaysia has a very good skills base, with high quality manufacturing with low cost labour. Motorsports is growing world wide. Malaysia has a chance to be the motorsports hub for this region. And with such a boost as our own F1 team based here, it should be able to stay ahead of countries like China and Australia. Forget Japan for now, they are way ahead and only behind the UK. Metallurgy, Composites, CFD, IT, Aerodynamics, etc are all clever fields that would have many applications in different industries outside of motorsports. How about self image? Is Malaysia continuously going to live vicariously by supporting teams like Ferrari, Mclaren, Man U, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Lakers, Raiders, Yankees, etc etc. Or is someone like 1MF1T going to have the balls to start something here? Forget about Footy, you need a league for that. F1 may be costly but the above benefits are there to be seen and calculated. And there is Tourism which is a bit more boring but just as relevant.

Q : Is there any downsides of this project?

A : Where is the downside in this? Tax payers money? Read above, Private venture. Might Fail? Please, ask any champion and they will tell you the road to success if filled with constant failures.

Q : Certainly Malaysians hope of certain success, no matter how much. But before we talk about cars moving at high speeds (F1), lets look at how Proton is today...

A : Its all about the people. This is Formula One and i know Mike Gascoyne. He will not have anybody on this team who cannot pull his weight. Do not get Protons success or lack of success confused with what Tony and co are planning. Lotus cars cannot contribute to this. This is F1 and Team Lotus stopped completely in 94 or 95. 1MF1T will hope to attract the best F1 personal from around the world who can contribute to this and put Malaysians who are good enough into the mix with them. It will only fail, if the quality of the people chosen is compromised.

So there you go..

[cklam]

Rein, you done well.

Well, we just have to wait and see. Hopefully it's not another space tourist project and PKFZ scandal.

[reinmuster]

(09-30-2009 07:16 AM)cklam Wrote:   Rein, you done well.

Well, we just have to wait and see. Hopefully it's not another space tourist project and PKFZ scandal.

Thanks, ck. As F1 fans I for one really hoping that this project will prove a success.

[toratoza]

(09-29-2009 09:56 PM)reinmuster Wrote:  SIC and Proton is not a GLC. And F1 project has no similarity with a 'space tourist' project.

I m surprised you dont know.

FYI

Malaysian Government or rather UMNO linked investment group, Khazanah Nasional Bhd, holds a majority stake in Proton and Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB). SIC is under MAHB.

I m a motosports fan. I ve followed every MotoGP and f1 races for a long time. I have followed young Alex Yoong ( 16 yo ) races at the BAtu Tiga tracks battling with some local big names in Production Series cars to Minardi.

The latest news in F1 - Toyota F1 team might quit by year end.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/ne...5530.shtml

To have one's own F1 Team is glorious , proud, etc. ! Its Nice to have but can do without, especially when there are still too many poor in the country.
Too many missed opportunity to fair/good education at higher ( uni ) levels for the non-bumis who out qualified many bumis but here the govt can go F1?

BTW, we do have too many pot holes on our roads and uneven road surface on the highways that needs repair!

[reinmuster]

Legend : Toratoza.. Me..

(09-30-2009 05:56 PM)toratoza Wrote:  

(09-29-2009 09:56 PM)reinmuster Wrote:  SIC and Proton is not a GLC. And F1 project has no similarity with a 'space tourist' project.

I m surprised you dont know.

FYI

Malaysian Government or rather UMNO linked investment group, Khazanah Nasional Bhd, holds a majority stake in Proton and Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB). SIC is under MAHB.

Really? Did I mention this project was under UMNO? lol! FYI, there's only 10 GLC in Malaysia. Neither Proton or SIC are not one of them. Now I'm the one who surprised!

Quote:I m a motosports fan. I ve followed every MotoGP and f1 races for a long time. I have followed young Alex Yoong ( 16 yo ) races at the BAtu Tiga tracks battling with some local big names in Production Series cars to Minardi.

So by giving this info it will give you a justification not to support Malaysian team in F1 now? Wow, another surprise! (Your point is?)

Quote:The latest news in F1 - Toyota F1 team might quit by year end.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/ne...5530.shtml

Toyota quit rumors had gone every year since the end of 2006. Sorry, I'm not surprised with this news et all..

Quote:To have one's own F1 Team is glorious , proud, etc. ! Its Nice to have but can do without, especially when there are still too many poor in the country.
Too many missed opportunity to fair/good education at higher ( uni ) levels for the non-bumis who out qualified many bumis but here the govt can go F1?

About poor citizens. We have Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat. They should do themselves a favor by register themselves there. As for Muslim, they should registered themselves to Pusat Zakat Selangor (or other states). The fact is, many of them are damn lazy!
About education. Too many? by how many? What about many students that got gov.loan for their studies at foreign country didn't comeback to help gov. filling positions in critical industrial sectors? Let alone paying back the money they owe to gov.?

Quote:BTW, we do have too many pot holes on our roads and uneven road surface on the highways that needs repair!

Channel you complaint to the appropriate local authority. That's how people getting services as gov. working for them!


Cheers!